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Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:08:00 -
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How will extra materials be worked in if they are not a normal part of the required materials? An example would be cloaks, they now require a Hermetic Membrane as an extra material but not as part of their regular materials. How will the extra cost of the PI material "Hermetic Membrane" be worked in to the regular cost which only consists of standard minerals?
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Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:21:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Volar Kang wrote:How will extra materials be worked in if they are not a normal part of the required materials? An example would be cloaks, they now require a Hermetic Membrane as an extra material but not as part of their regular materials. How will the extra cost of the PI material "Hermetic Membrane" be worked in to the regular cost which only consists of standard minerals?
Ok, I seriously don't understand this question. Why would they not be moved over as is (after applying skills for efficiency and such)?
Maybe they will, they just have not said. Their only example was with a apples to apples comparison. Maybe they will remove things like PI that were added and not part of the normal build requirements. |
Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
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Posted - 2014.04.17 20:06:00 -
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I still donGÇÖt understand why private POS owners will now have to pay tax when they already pay a huge extra cost in fuel to keep the POS running. Will the new station costs adequately reflect this high cost or should we all start looking for remote systems far away from the hubs to move our industry to? If I can move 10 jumps from Jita and only have to pay 100 million to run all my invention/copy/manufacturing/research jobs AND not have to bother purchasing/manufacturing fuel AND keep my BPOGÇÖs safe inside a station AND not have to log in everyday to look for wardecs AND not have to bother with all the other time consuming aspects of running a POS like hauling fuel, then why would anyone even want a POS in highsec anymore? If you make the cost of using stations as high as using a POS then you block new industrialists from the field.
The only reason people invent or research in a POS is due to the lack of slots in stations. People currently pay as much as $180 million a month in fuel costs for a medium POS plus half a billion for the POS and labs plus have to deal with moving everything in case of wardec and having to haul fuel every month. To top that off, they still have limited slots to use. Now you want to increase that cost by adding tax while also eliminating the lack of slots in stations. I can not possibly imagine how you could drive up the cost of station industry enough to compensate for the cost of a POS and the hassle that goes with it.
With one account and three industry toons, if I run 200 jobs a month and each job cost me 500,000 isk, it would still only cost me 100 mill AND I would no longer have to deal with all the negatives of having a POS plus my BPOGÇÖs would be safe in a station. If I am 10 jumps from Jita and you raise the prices this high, how can new players get into industry? Will you make the station cost even higher to give me a reason to use a POS?
You can say that a POS will have unlimited slots after the changes but will that really make a difference? How many slots can I actually use when copy jobs take 28 days and ME jobs for large ships take 30 days for one or two ME points? Will a person have to have 8 accounts full of industry toons just to make using a POS worthwhile?
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Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:50:00 -
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I see a lot of talk of POS bashing and noobs spamming POS,s come the change but ask yourself this... After the change why even put up a POS in high-sec? You can just move five to eight jumps from Jita and have all the slots you want for less than the monthly cost of a POS.
Personally I have a few systems on my radar and after the change I will most likely take my POS down and avoid the hassles of having it while doing industry in the total safety of a station. This change is actually going to reduce the number of POS,s in high-sec.
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Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:23:00 -
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Urziel99 wrote:Sizeof Void wrote:Volar Kang wrote:I see a lot of talk of POS bashing and noobs spamming POS,s come the change but ask yourself this... After the change why even put up a POS in high-sec? You can just move five to eight jumps from Jita and have all the slots you want for less than the monthly cost of a POS.
Personally I have a few systems on my radar and after the change I will most likely take my POS down and avoid the hassles of having it while doing industry in the total safety of a station. This change is actually going to reduce the number of POS,s in high-sec. Probably true for POSes used for research and copying, but maybe not for those used for manufacturing. I know that I'm certainly NOT going to be putting my BPOs in a high-sec POS. I think that it is highly unlikely that CCP can make the reward worth the risk. The mere fact that labs are attached to the POS will ensure an automatic wardec of any small research or industrial corp. Even if you move your BPO's out of the POS before the wardec starts, cancelling ME/PE/copy jobs in progress and the POS downtime due to the wardec will probably erase any benefit. But, for manufacturing, I can use BPCs in a POS. Unless CCP makes it possible for other players to see exactly what is being manufacturing, it will be difficult to determine if it is worth wardec'cing the POS owners. In this case, the reward vs risk ratio may be acceptable. There are orders of magnitude more stations with manufacturing services than research. The run of the mill build pos may go away without substantial bonuses (except T3 science and industry which can't be done in station.) But ME/PE stations will likely be max congested in short order, there are only about 10% of all stations that have those services.
The question is... Will the cost of using maxed stations be higher than the cost of running a POS? Will stations be maxed out 10 jumps away from trade hubs? Will CCP really raise the price of slots so high that it will block entrance to industry for new manufacturers? We don't know yet but you can bet I will be checking slot prices 8 to 12 jumps away from my trade hub. If after the change I can do my stuff cheaper and safer and with less hassle than in a POS, mine will go offline. |
Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
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Posted - 2014.04.22 01:16:00 -
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I didnt see this mentioned in the 25 pages I have read so far... If all slots are being removed (the blog does say station and starbase) why put up anything more than a small POS other than defensive reasons? The fuel you would save would surely pay for a new small stick if you were wardecced. Besides a bit of tax, will there be an additional cost for POS jobs? If not, why install more than one lab? |
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